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Witchblade · May 08, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Another "trap" for those RMT fellas

Richardt · May 08, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Of course, GWAMM and anything else on the KoaBD track gets no emote, which people have asked about for a long time.

I will admit I'd been more happier with a KoABD emote. But what they heck, they gave us this. Better than nothing in my book. Besides a spear falling out of the sky like that is just awesome.

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The title doesn't prove anything, and therefore it's a waste of an addition.

What title really does? I mean, I can come on here and say "Hey I got 2 characters with LMoN!"-but all that proves is that I spend way to much time in EotN. With this title, it just proves that they spend to much time doing either AT's or guessing right through the Xunlai House thingy.

The fact is that people would enjoy getting this, despite the handful naysayers here on Guru. And if people enjoy it, it's not really a wasteful addition is it? Like I said earlier, if you don't like it, you don't have to do it. Noones forcing you.

FoxBat · May 08, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Pale-Dim

if in the MAT i have guessed half correct i would get 3000 Tournament points which is 600keys. For doing nothing but selecting random names. and each key would sell for at current rate 3000g. thanks anet for my 1.8mil gold

I don't see how you are doing that without hundreds of accounts. The upgraded rewards are only for those actually playing. (and likely biased towards top quarter)

Shayne Hawke · May 08, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down

I feel bad for everyone that bought and used all of those keys already.

Fixed that for you. I feel just the same way with all the people that used party items for the year before the title was brought about.

Richardt · May 08, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by evilseabass

I really hope they make this one retroactive, so that it counts the times you have opened the chest in the past...

In order for it to be retroactive, they would need to have put in a counter to keep track of how often someone opened it on their account. Since this is relatively new (compared to the ZChest) it's doubtful that they did this.

snaek · May 08, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

if zkeys stay @ 3k...

r12 is equivalent to obtaining sweet tooth 50x over

r10 (enough to get all 4 weapons on emote, minus the sword being gold) only takes sweet tooth x18

i personally never cared to get sweet tooth title...
but can someone tell me approx how long it takes to farm nuff money to get this title?
all i kno is that its possible to max it within holiday week events...
but during regular play?

also,look at the synergy of zaishen + sweet tooth + drunkard
since zkeys give u sweets + alcohol when opening it

i.e. y spend money on buyin sweets+alcohol, when u can jus buy zkeys and max out 3 titles simultaneousy?

Shanaeri Rynale · May 08, 2008, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Richardt

Who exactly is making you grind for this title? Besides I doubt all of ANet was working on this...it was prolly one or two people doing the actual coding while other teams focused on more pertinent stuff.

As pointed out by others all titles are either a huge grind or money sink. So what makes this one any different?

Not all of them are grind or money based. All of them can be bought ofc, but

E.g Minimal Grind
Cartographer, Protector, vanquisher, Guardian, Skill hunter(needs cash but small in comparison) xxx, of the north and Survivor

Others need what I would term reasonable amounts of grind.
All allegience titles, bar kurzick/luxon.

Titles that I would call extreme grind or loadsamoney are
Sweet tooth,Drunkard,party animal, Champion, Hero, Kurzick/Luxon, treasure hunter, wisdom, lucky, gladiator, Zaishen, Skillz and LDoA.

See what i'm getting at?

People need reasons to team up, play the game and generally get out there and have fun. Money/Grind titles do not do this, they encourage people to solo farm. buy ebay money or leech off others. None of which are particually healthy for a game in it's twighlight time. This is why this title is a bad one for the majority of GW players, they see this and go 'whats the point' I dont know what i'll get in GW2 for max kobd, I wont ever get the money or the teams that will help me max it. Stuff that, I'll go play something else. Which is a dangerous(for Anet) attitude to encourage.

Shayne Hawke · May 08, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by Richardt

What title really does? I mean, I can come on here and say "Hey I got 2 characters with LMoN!"-but all that proves is that I spend way to much time in EotN. With this title, it just proves that they spend to much time doing either AT's or guessing right through the Xunlai House thingy.

The fact is that people would enjoy getting this, despite the handful naysayers here on Guru. And if people enjoy it, it's not really a wasteful addition is it? Like I said earlier, if you don't like it, you don't have to do it. Noones forcing you.

I do agree that some will have some enjoyment out of getting this title. But as JR already pointed out, this is no PvP title. PvPers don't have to spend their faction buying and using the keys, and PvEers aren't playing PvP. I wouldn't consider this much of a PvEer title either, because it doesn't really show anything about your PvE talents, except that you've managed to amass a great fortune for buying keys, somehow.

Just about any title can be cheapened, but I think LMoN usually at least shows you have an above average understanding of some of the hardest PvE forms available.

Snype · May 08, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Ravious

Because PvP is more fun than PvE sometimes?

obviously, seeing as if we have a VERY LOW number of people playing PvP, the fun alone isn't attracting too many players.

Destiny2097 · May 08, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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For example, if you position yourself correctly, you can use it as a finishing move after you defeat someone!

Next they will add /animality. Your minipet changes to its original form and performs a finishing move on your opponent!

JR · May 08, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Gli

Yes. Because when you grind for reputation, there's an 'Environment' versus which you are grinding, which is markedly absent when you buying Zaishen keys.

...huh? Expand on that please.

Pale-Dim · May 08, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Ahh foxbat now i get it. I had seen it has the xunlai tournament prizes had gone up. would have been nice to see my normal 50-150pts suddenly increase 15x

oh well even 20 keys is still free 60k at todays pricepoint for keys whichs seems to be increasing by the hour

X Tigercat X · May 08, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Pale-Dim

Think about these numbers and tell me zkey prices will be high.

if in the MAT i have guessed half correct i would get 3000 Tournament points which is 600keys. For doing nothing but selecting random names. and each key would sell for at current rate 3000g. thanks anet for my 1.8mil gold

lets say people will pay 5k/key. Thats 3 Mil.

dude wat are u talking about. THIS IS PRIZES FOR THE MAT NOT XULANI HOUSE. Their are only a handful of people who take part in the MaT and only the winner will end up with 1500rps. Xulani house prizes have not changed at all. Plz know wat you are talking about before you post

carbajac · May 08, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Well, since it's too much trouble for me to go and get a deer, this'll be something I can get for my time spent in ab and ra.

All for it.

Shayne Hawke · May 08, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by snaek

if zkeys stay @ 3k...

look at the synergy of zaishen + sweet tooth + drunkard
since zkeys give u sweets + alcohol when opening it

i.e. y spend money on buyin sweets+alcohol, when u can jus buy zkeys and max out 3 titles simultaneousy?

Good point. That's probably why Zaishen Keys probably won't be staying at 3k.

Ctb · May 08, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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PvP isn't inaccessible at all.

I'm not going to belabor the point because I just don't think you're going to get very many people that agree with that statement. HA and GvG are, for all intents and purposes, only for people who have been playing for quite some time. The piss-poor attitudes of the players, the lack of time to build experience, and the insular nature of the top controlling teams and guilds makes most people shy away from ever even trying HA or GvG on any serious level.

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You could PvP, or you could farm gold for Zkeys. If that's boring, go outside.

I don't get this comment. Are you basically just agreeing with me that there is a problem and this doesn't fix it?

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I'll bet you everything in my storage the RA population explodes in the coming weeks.

And I'll bet you it's not sustained for more than two weeks. It doesn't "keep people playing". The only people that still play this game in numbers are n00bs that are just picking it out of bargain bins and a couple of stragglers grinding out solitary hours for the HoM.

You haven't exactly disagreed with my overall assessment, so I assume you're taking the position that you recognize that there are problems but you don't care if they get fixed or not?

Also, I don't consider RA and TA PvP in any meaningful form. I view them more as minigames because they don't really give you much of a footing to move up into the more "serious" PvP areas. When I speak of PvP, I'm referring to HA and GvG, primarily, just for clarification of my intent. So when I say it's "inaccessible", what I'm referring to is the massive stagnation of competetive play in GvG and HA.

Pae · May 08, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

It's just like the annoyance with the late party animal title but meh -.-

Edit: and the minipigs

"For example, if you position yourself correctly, you can use it as a finishing move after you defeat someone!" - Promoting being an ass ftl >_>

Richardt · May 08, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

Not all of them are grind or money based. All of them can be bought ofc, but

E.g Minimal Grind
Cartographer, Protector, vanquisher, Guardian, Skill hunter(needs cash but small in comparison) xxx, of the north and Survivor

Others need what I would term reasonable amounts of grind.
All allegience titles, bar kurzick/luxon.

Titles that I would call extreme grind or loadsamoney are
Sweet tooth,Drunkard,party animal, Champion, Hero, Kurzick/Luxon, treasure hunter, wisdom, lucky, gladiator, Zaishen, Skillz.

See what i'm getting at?

People need reasons to team up, play the game and generally get out there and have fun. Money/Grind titles do not do this, they encourage people to solo farm. buy ebay money or leech off others.

You're right-Skill Hunter (outside of the cash needed), Protector, Guardian and Cartographer are minimal grind titles.

But I would disagree with Vanquisher and Survivor-both feature a good deal of grind.

Sure this doesn't encourage team play, but look at the titles that do (not including legendary):

3xProtector
3xGuardian
3xVanquisher
Legendary Master of the North
Hero
Gladiator
Champion

That's 13 titles that encourage team play. Other titles that can be used for team play but not really neccessary (again ignoring legendary):

3xCartographer
3xSkill Hunter
Kurzick
Luxon
Norn
Vanguard
Asura
Dwarf

That's 12 more titles! And if I counted right, that's out of 36 possible titles (again ignoring legendary).

So the titles that are very specific to non-group activities is less than 1/3rd of all titles. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't really see the big issue.

natural_Causes · May 08, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

People complain all the time on this forum that they want A-Net to add more content to the game. They complain that the game is getting old and they want something fresh. Now they go to add something and people complain? I don't get it.

zamial · May 08, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

I like the idea of getting the 1st rank, FOR FUN.
I do not pvp unless a guldie needs a filler on there team.

The 1 thing that should be implemented BEFORE this gets way out of hand is an hourly limit say 1 time per level or the endless spamming of this is gonna lag out towns even worse than they are now.

The other thing I don't understand is with the /rank emote if you do it over a fallen enemy it can cause you to loose rank. This new 1 is designed to be done on a fallen enemy??????

future letter to support:
It was after a long match and I did not mean to type in /rank, I typoed, it was supposed to be /zrank. Can I please have my fame back?